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Colour Module - Unexpected behaviour

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:43 am
by midnight_lightning
Hi,

I have an image of M31 and want to boost the colours within the galaxy without changing the colour of the stars in the image.
I feel I should be able to do this using star masks but I seem to get inconsistent results, can anyone help?

I am starting with my standard process which is :
Enter Colour Module
Set Star mask
Sample
Clear and Invert Mask, Keep

This gives me a good starting point of colour in both M31 and the stars.

If I now go back into Mask and create / keep an Inverted star mask I can use, for example, Saturation to change M31 without affecting the stars - all good.

However, I now want to go back and adjust just the stars. I go back into Mask and Invert/Keep the mask again (so we are back to a Star Mask), but when I get back into Colour after keeping the Mask only the stars still have colour, M31 is grey. Why is this happening, I wouldn't expect just changing the mask to have any effect until I changed one of the colour settings?

For information, this was all done without exiting the Colour Module at any point.

Thanks

Jon


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Re: Colour Module - Unexpected behaviour

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:36 pm
by almcl
Not sure quite how well this will work with a large target like M31, but there's a technique for separating the stars and background, working on them separately and then recombining, here:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=244

Re: Colour Module - Unexpected behaviour

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:17 am
by admin
You could post-process the stars after switching Tracking off. That said, you seem to have a bigger problem - a single color balance should work for the entire image, including stars. If it doesn't, something is wrong with the dataset... :think:

If you don't mind me asking, what is the reason you want a separate color treatment for the stars and the rest of the image?

Re: Colour Module - Unexpected behaviour

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:01 am
by midnight_lightning
Thanks almacl, I will look at that.

The single colour balance was ok with ST but I wanted to bring more warmth to M31 without getting bright red rings around the stars.

I managed to get what I wanted with a bit of post processing using Affinity, see image, but was trying to find a way of doing this in ST.
Unfortunately I didn't keep the original ST image but in order to get the level of yellows shown in this image the stars had quite red rings around them.

Perhaps I'm trying to put more colour into M31 than is really there but I felt it still looked natural (?)

Re: Colour Module - Unexpected behaviour

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:22 am
by admin
midnight_lightning wrote:Thanks almacl, I will look at that.

The single colour balance was ok with ST but I wanted to bring more warmth to M31 without getting bright red rings around the stars.

I managed to get what I wanted with a bit of post processing using Affinity, see image, but was trying to find a way of doing this in ST.
Unfortunately I didn't keep the original ST image but in order to get the level of yellows shown in this image the stars had quite red rings around them.

Perhaps I'm trying to put more colour into M31 than is really there but I felt it still looked natural (?)
It sounds and looks like your optical train is suffering from chromatic aberration a little (this would result in distinct deep blue/purple and deep red/orange rings around stars).

There are 3 things you can do, depending on what is causing the rings and your preferences.
  • You can try the Bright Saturation parameter in the Color module
  • You can post-process in the Color module with Tracking off, using masks
  • You can use the Filter module's Fringe Killer mode to remove chromatic aberration rings.
Hope this helps!